What Jaden and Willow Smith Were Really Talking About in Their ‘New York Times’ Interview

The NY Times recently interviewed Jaden and Willow Smith, an interview which has been aggregating a lot of flack because the Smith’s discuss concepts that are far beyond the lay consciousness of the mainstream media.

Gawker wrote about the interview saying, “Everything About this Article is Nuts”, yet how nuts is it really? Vice at least made a noble attempt at deciphering the esoteric meaning behind their statements by having a philosophy professor break down some of the topics discussed in the interview.

In relation to all of this discourse, I’m reminded of a famous Nietzsche quote which states “And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music”. So with all of that being said,I figured I could help further decode the parables of the Smith’s to assist the curious, and guide the confused into awareness. I took the liberty of analyzing just a few of the bullet points of the interview (our comments are in italics), however the interview in it’s entirety can be read on the NY Times website.

Decoding the Smith’s NY Times Interview:

  • Q. What have you been reading?

JADEN: “The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life” and ancient texts; things that can’t be pre-dated.

“Learn to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.” – DaVinci

“The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life” discusses the ancient understanding of creation on a cellular level, a concept called sacred geometry. All starts as one, and continues to divide until life is formed. In advanced mathematics, whether the creation is of a human life, a galaxy, or a single star, this geometric pattern is the formula for creation in the universe. While heretical to some, it is believed that the Bible was actually written as a gigantic metaphor of the process of sacred geometry in relation to creation and is completely enveloped in a mathematical code called the Gematria. The Gematria is also in accordance with the mystical teaching of the Kabbalah in relation to the mathematics of the Tree of Life. If you look at life as though we are a gigantic computer simulation, the numbers that are hidden within the cipher of these ancient writings is the code of life. 


  • Q. I’m curious about your experience of time. Do you feel like life is moving really quickly? Is your music one way to sort of turn it over and reflect on it?

WILLOW: I mean, time for me, I can make it go slow or fast, however I please, and that’s how I know it doesn’t exist.

JADEN: It’s proven that how time moves for you depends on where you are in the universe. It’s relative to beings and other places. But on the level of being here on earth, if you are aware in a moment, one second can last a year. And if you are unaware, your whole childhood, your whole life can pass by in six seconds. But it’s also such a thing that you can get lost in.

WILLOW: Because living.

JADEN: Right, because you have to live. There’s a theoretical physicist inside all of our minds, and you can talk and talk, but it’s living.

WILLOW: It’s the action of it.

“Man’s mind mirrors a universe that mirrors man’s mind.” – Joseph Chilton Pearce

Here it seems the Smith’s are talking about their advanced understanding of physics in relation to the Theory of Relativity . The Theory of Relativity states that measurements of quantities are relative to the velocities of observers, and infers that all time is happening at once, there is no “present”, all moments are equally real. A very fancy way of saying perception is reality. Time is an illusion, as a man made construct that was designed to suit the reality subjective to our existence on planet Earth. Willow’s statements, “Because living” and “It’s the action of it” could just be her way of saying “I think, therefore I am”.


  • Q. How have you gotten better?

JADEN: …Because your mind has a duality to it. So when one thought goes into your mind, it’s not just one thought, it has to bounce off both hemispheres of the brain. When you’re thinking about something happy, you’re thinking about something sad. When you think about an apple, you also think about the opposite of an apple. It’s a tool for understanding mathematics and things with two separate realities. But for creativity: That comes from a place of oneness. That’s not a duality consciousness. And you can’t listen to your mind in those times — it’ll tell you what you think and also what other people think.

“To destroy an undesirable rate of mental vibration, put into operation the principle of Polarity and concentrate upon the opposite pole to that which you desire to suppress. Kill out the undesirable by changing its polarity.” – The Kybalion.

Here Jaden is discussing the Hermetic Axiom of duality in relation to manifesting through your energetic vibration. For those of you who have read The Secret, you may be familiar with the Law of Attraction, which states you attract what you are energetically emitting. While this is true, and the Law of Attraction is real, the principle of Polarity/the dualism of the mind can be related to Newton’s third law which states: “Forces occur in equal and opposite pairs: whenever object A exerts a force on object B, object B must also be exerting a force on object A. The two forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.” The force being discussed here is the force of the power of thought, emotions, and trivialities which are thoughts that occur from the mind which is primarily an egocentric matrix of duality. Creation, whether the creation of art, music, or life, comes from a place of communion with one, which is the heart. Simply put, Jaden is trying to say when ego starts to overpower, “get out of your head, and into your heart”. 


  • Q. You mentioned breathing earlier, and it’s also an idea that recurs in your songs.

WILLOW: Breathing is meditation; life is a meditation. You have to breathe in order to live, so breathing is how you get in touch with the sacred space of your heart.

JADEN: When babies are born, their soft spots bump: It has, like, a heartbeat in it. That’s because energy is coming through their body, up and down.

WILLOW: Prana energy.

JADEN: It’s prana energy because they still breathe through their stomach. They remember. Babies remember.

WILLOW: When they’re in the stomach, they’re so aware, putting all their bones together, putting all their ligaments together. But they’re shocked by this harsh world.

JADEN: By the chemicals and things, and then slowly…

WILLOW: As they grow up, they start losing.

JADEN: You know, they become just like us.


Drunvalo Melchezidek is an author, and wisdom teacher that emphasizes finding the sacred space in your heart, through his “School of Remembering” (“There is No Becoming”). What is essentially stated here is that when we are born, we operate solely from the heart, our intuition is based off of energetic vibrations, because language is nonexistent in the beginning stages of life. Prana is the sanskrit word for “life force”, and our breath is our primary connection to that force. Without breath, there is no life. As we age, we forget to breathe as we breathed in infancy, we forget to feel as we did as a child, the rough constructs of the culture that consumes our current paradigm shapes us into hardened individuals that lose sight of the softness, curiosity and intuition we possessed as we first entered the world. Buddhist wisdom teaches that Dao (aka:  cosmic consciousness) is hidden in the childish mind that still views life for the magic it truly possesses. 


While we could go over more, we don’t want our readers to lose faith in the satire of the story. The main point is understanding how “unlearning”, “remembering”, and gnosis of self are the common recurring themes throughout this interview in conjunction with sacred geometry, physics, mathematics and philosophy. Concepts which seem to be “New Age”, yet are actually just worded in a cipher that takes some deconstruction to dig deeper into the meaning. While the internet has turned this into satire, in reality, these two kids are ten steps ahead of the unconscious masses, and have found the synthesis of science and spirit, but are limited by the language in our vernacular to convey the exact gravity of what they’ve learned to those who do not understand. The word esoteric is defined as “understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest”, hence why these teachings are confusing to those who haven’t had proper initiation into this type of ancient wisdom. People sensationalize “The Illuminati”, Freemasonry and other secret societies to be theseevil cults of insanity, but in reality, those involved are just custodians of information that is likely to be misunderstood, so they protect it from those who will abuse it.

Hence the backlash from the mainstream media from this interview. Willow and Jaden had noble intentions with being so candid, but unfortunately our society has not evolved consciously enough to understand. We are trained WHAT to think, not HOW to think, and the avoidance of questioning only leads to ignorance. It is not expected that entertainment websites that revolve around the cult of celebrity are to grasp, or appreciate the knowledge disseminated from the Smith’s, which is a paradox within itself…however, we appreciate the fact that a 14-year-old, and 16-year-old were able to articulate these complicated concepts to the best of their ability, which is a form of art within itself.

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